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On why "neighbourhood" should be the only criterion in school admissions
1. Distance from the school is the only criterion that affects a child physically. No other criterion affects the child physically. Criteria like siblings, transferable jobs, awardee parents, single parent and so on are just discriminatory.
2. If more children are sent to neighbourhood schools, all neighbourhood schools would have a chance to develop.
3. Eventually, people would become "proximity" conscious than "brand" conscious.
4. Siblings would stand a greater chance of getting into the same school as they will also qualify for the neighbourhood points like their siblings.
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Permalink Reply by Umesh on
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I don't think they are forcing their opinions. I believe you are not listening or reading the discussion properly. Please read everything carefully before you start accusing people of imposing their views on you.
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Permalink Reply by 2m93yxknpmggo on
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Umesh- I suggest you read my statement and understand it carefully before commenting on it. All i have said is that there are bound to be people who dont agree with you. That doesnt mean they are wrong.
In case you have difficulty in understanding English i would be happy to translate it in Hindi or any other language for you
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Jaswal - Faaltu baate ni. Theek hai na bhai.
You have clearly said that they have been forcing their opinions on others. Which is not true. That is why I told you to read the entire argument.
So again. Read the entire argument carefully. There is equal provision for the neighbourhood and the distant kids in their argument. They just want to take away the unfair advantage provided to a select few.
Of course, it goes without saying that the only reason a gentleman like yourself would entirely oppose what's being discussed on this forum could very well be because the gentleman was perhaps a direct beneficiary of the current points system and had found a sweet spot that he was reluctant to lose.
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Umesh- Just because i dont agree with you doesn't mean i am talking faltu!!!!!!
As regards whether i am a beneficiary of the current system or not. The answer is no! I have applied in 16 school for my son but i have no hope of a seat because i am not an alumni nor i am a sibling
Distance itself has many disadvantages and raises many questions. But you are not willing to listen to them.
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I'll explain why i am not against distance only.
1) There are many parents who want to send their kids to a particular school. My brothers's daughter studies in a Girls Convent School. Why because he believes in the Value System of the Convent Schools. Now the geographic distribution of convent schools is uneven. Going by distance formula he might not be able to apply
2) How do you define what distance is to be taken for Neighbourhood. Do we consider 3 Km as per EWS, 5 KM????
3) How do you measure this distance? Most schools go by Bus Routes. Do we use Google Maps??
4) Now within each distance there is bound to be a tie. So what do you do. Go for a Lottery or have a combination of points 5)besides Distance.
5) What happens if a couple of years down the line the parents shift their residence (for any geniune reason). Going by the US/ Western Countries Model the kids also have to shift to their neighbourhood school in the new locality.
6) The most important point. While Mr. Ashok Agagrwal in his PIL has emphasised on distance as the main criteria, the Delhi Government & the Schools are not willling to oblige. Without the support of the government i dont see this happening. ( am being pragmatic here)
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I do see your point. Let me answer your questions 1 by 1.
1. I guess, one modification to the suggestion made in this discussion could be "preference in nearby schools, equal opportunity in all other schools." That would help your brother a lot.
2. This is a policy question. I think 0-5 km radius should be considered immediate neighbourhood. We cannot finalize a policy question on a forum like this. We can only suggest the direction in which the policy should head towards.
3. I think using radius is a better approach. But again, this cannot be finalized here.
4. Yes. Even within the neighbourhood there should be a lottery. Unless the lottery is not required.
5. Policy question. If they shift neighbourhood, and the new distance to the school is considerable, they should change schools as well.
Don't forget that schools cannot ply buses in all the routes. So even if you get selected in a remote but reputed school doesn't mean you will be able to send your child in that school.
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The faaltu part in your previous message was the part where you were offering me translation services :-)
I am willing to listen. Are you saying you are at a distance from the schools of your choice? Let me assume the answer is Yes, based on logical deduction from your view points.
Now, in the distant schools you are trying, and I am assuming they are all within 10-km radius (NOT distance by road, but radius, that covers a lot of schools), you stand no chance because you have no alumni or siblings points. The argument put forth in this discussion proposes a system that allows an equal number of kids from distant areas to apply to distant schools with an equal opportunity for selection. Plus, a little advantage in being selected in the schools in the immediate neighbourhood (0-5 km radius, not distance by road).
How do you feel about knowing that because of the fact that you don't have alumni and sibling points, you have lost the battle in good schools even before its begun? You know very well that your application wouldn't even make it to the draw of lots for the few seats that are left after direct allocations to kids with alumni and sibling points.
Would you feel better knowing that no matter what I stand an equal chance as anyone else to get into that school and so many other schools or all the 16 schools that I have applied? And if unfortunately, I do not get selected into that school of my choice, I still have a better chance of winning a seat for my child in a nearby school?
This is the crux of this argument. Removing unfair advantage. Providing advantage for one and all. Draw of lots for neighbourhoods kids as well.
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But from my understanding of the model proposed by you, the chances of kids still do not improve.
I'll explain. There are 100 seats. 50 are for 0-5 Km and 50 for beyond
Now for these 50 seats you are bound to receive 1000 applications. This means a lucky draw.
Now what is the surety that my son would be selected in this lucky draw. Assuming i am applying to the 20 schools in my neighbourhood.
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Jaswalji, discussing the example given by you, your son would stand a better chance if 'area only' criteria is used. He would be at equal level in all the area schools, compared to the 'alumni' or 'sibling' advantage enjoyed by him at just one school under the existing system. Also, the competition would be less as kids from other areas won't be there. Ofcourse, you may have the 'transfer' or 'single parent' advantages at all the schools, but this means kids who don't have these points would lose out for no fault of theirs. This is the reason we support scrapping of this points system.
One thinks of consensus when there is some logic in the other opinion. I am yet to find a person who can logically explain the merits of the existing system.
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Akshay - what you are suggesting will work if the number of seats in an area is more or less equal to the number of candidates.
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Jaswalji, nowhere did I say that the system I support will remove the demand-supply gap. I am only trying to explain that the 'area only' approach gives an equal opportunity to kids from a particular area, maximizing their chances of getting selected in a neighbourhood school.
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The way the school lobby is defending itself in the case shows that it is more interested in retaining its 'prestigious' title than anything else. Otherwise there is no need for the school lobby to respond, simply because there are less seats and more students. Whatever may be the case, all schools will find sufficient students to fill the seats. All these private schools fear that they will lose their exclusivity if the 'area only' criteria is implemented.
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