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Comment by ABCD on March 7, 2014 at 3:05pm

@Raman, as I mentioned, no grudges with you or the people affected with Transfer points. Both are victims of some inexplicable guidelines. This is a never ending discussion and I believe we both are right on our fronts and dont think so anybody would back of from their front :-). 

Comment by Raman Singh on March 7, 2014 at 3:03pm

@ABCD , refer option 2 where as you said 90 cases out of 100 were Tfr cases.

Now imagine scenario 2, by reversing the the tfr and 70 pointers numbers
Open seats after Siblings + Alumni 100
Applicants 1000
Tfr cases 90
Original 70 Pointers 10
Chances in First draw 10 / (1000-90) 1.10%
Chances in Second draw 90 / (1000-10+90) 8.33%

Now Tfr pointers got 8.33% chance of a seat.

Majority of 70 pointers got two chances 1.10% + 8.33 % = 9.43%.

The difference is small (just 1.10%) but this can not be ignored considering the situation, every single % point counts.

You are considering 10-15 70 pointers losing their seat. Same thing happened with all Tfr pointers losing their confirmed seat.

Imagine the plight of tfr cases, who did not fill as many schools assuming easy admissions. Now , they are at 70 and did not fill as many schools as rest of 70 pointers.

Comment by Ritika kaura on March 7, 2014 at 2:56pm

Totally agree with u mr Raman Singh..n appreciate ur analysis..

Comment by ABCD on March 7, 2014 at 2:53pm

@Raman, the transfer points were occupying more than 70% of the seats (after taking the 90 pointers out). Figures can confirm that. When the transfer points were not scrapped 70 pointers were contesting for only 10-15 seats per school. No grudges against the genuine transfer cases because they were also victims of the poor guidelines by the management, but, for the people who were actually in minority (70 pointers) and got their seats after contesting with more than 4000 people should be given some reprive. with the transfer points now scrapped, majority of the seats are now released and the contest should now be amongst the open lots. This is my individual perception, nothing against you or any other affected by the system. One way or other everyone is affected by the system

Comment by Deepti Sharma on March 7, 2014 at 2:48pm

@ Raman ji..i agree with u...der is no point in going on and on with PILs...i think we shld go ahead as per HC's latest order..because of few fake cases the whole lot is suffering...i hope DOE will rethink on the guidelines for next year...for this year its already been too much time and stress...i know many parents have already paid and hv taken admission in desperity...which has given schools all the more chance to ask donations...but we shld not pay schools...nd shld not panic...it is our weakness which schools exploit...but if we be firm & truthful..it will be good for all

Comment by Raman Singh on March 7, 2014 at 2:39pm

@ ABCD, i know and I dont agree to this fresh PIL. I am of the opinon that fresh draws are fair. As 75 pointers lost on first draw opportunity.

As far as fakes are concerned, you can be called a fake only if you forged a document. Schools or DoE can choose to take action against such cases. However, if someone claims 5 points and those are not accepted during verification due to lack of additional documents then this can not be a fraud case.

Such cases already lost the battle -

in cases where 70 draw was done post verification, they were put in that draw.

in cases, where verification happened after 70 draw, they completely lost their chance in that school.

Only people suffering were genuine tfr cases and who had all additional documents to satisfy the strict verification done by all schools and at times by doE.

They filled lesser forms - assuming easy admissions

post scrapping 5 points, they lost their seat and chances of securing a seat on 70 points were reduced due to the fact that they could not participate in first drraw.

Comment by ABCD on March 7, 2014 at 2:30pm

Vivek/Raman, you are right. We are a group of parents planning to meet up at DC Janak Puri at 8:00 PM. This group is of parents who got a seat in schools (70 pointers) through a legitimate draw but are now back to square one

Comment by Vivek Upadhyay on March 7, 2014 at 2:23pm

@ Raman, I am talking abt the ones who forged to make their case  under tfr pt sysm and not the ones who were genuine. All problems started from there. We all knw that in today's world it is very easy to access transfer letter printed on the company letter head. These kinds of illegal manipulation is a punishable offence but now see they are again rewarded with fresh draw on the cost of honest parents who submitted their application under 70 point system or even genuine tfr cases. We are paying for our honesty! Welcome to India...

Comment by Raman Singh on March 7, 2014 at 2:11pm

@ Vivek , all the best. I do not agree to any fresh PILs against the new order. Read my earlier post where it is clearly apparent that Tfr pointers got the wrong end of the bargain.

Genuine Tfr pointers did nothing wrong. Govt gave them the points, and then they were scrapped. Why penalize genuine Tfr pointers for Govt's mistakes.

I think this is where the honorable HC saw merit in this plea. So, this may be hard on 70 pointers selected in first/second draw. Remember, Tfr 75 pointers also lost their confirmed seats.

Comment by Vivek Upadhyay on March 7, 2014 at 1:45pm

@Raman, I totally agree with you, 5 pts on tfr cases where mostly manipulated with forge document and fake supporting. These kinds of illegal manipulation is a punishable offence. I guess there is meeting scheduled today at 8 PM in District Center for west delhi's n dwarka's parents who are now feeling cheated with the new order!

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